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Harsco Corp (NYSE:HSC)
Q3 2019 Earnings Call
Nov 2, 2021, 9:00 a.m. ET
Contents:
- Prepared Remarks
- Questions and Answers
- Call Participants
Prepared Remarks:
Operator
Good morning, my name is Polly and I will be your conference facilitator. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Harsco Corporation's Third Quarter Release Conference Call. [Operator Instructions].
Also, this telephone conference presentation and accompanying webcast made on behalf of Harsco Corporation are subject to copyright by Harsco Corporation and all rights are reserved. No recordings or redistribution of this telephone conference by any other parties are permitted without the express written consent of Harsco Corporation. Your participation indicates your agreement.
I would now like to introduce Dave Martin of Harsco Corporation. Mr Martin, Sir, you may begin your call.
Dave Martin -- Vice President of Investor Relations
Thank you, Polly and welcome to everyone joining us today. I'm Dave Martin of Harsco. With me today is Nick Grasberger, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer and Anshooman Aga, Harsco's Senior Vice President and CFO.
This morning we will discuss our results for the third quarter of 2021 and our outlook for the remainder of the year. We'll then take your questions.
Before our presentation, let me mention a few items, first our quarterly earnings release as well as the slide presentation for the call are available on our website. Secondly, we will make statements today that are considered forward-looking within the meaning of the federal securities laws. These statements are based on our current knowledge and expectations and are subject to certain risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those forward-looking statements. For a discussion of such risks and uncertainties, see the Risk Factors section in our most recent 10-K and 10-Q. The company undertakes no obligation to revise or update any forward-looking statement.
Lastly, on this call, we may refer to adjusted financial results that are considered non-GAAP for SEC reporting purposes. A reconciliation to GAAP results is included in the earnings release as well as the slide presentation.
With that said, I'll turn it over to Nick.
F. Nicholas Grasberger III -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Good morning everyone and thanks for joining us. I would like to further acknowledge that our new CFO, Anshooman Aga is with us today. As previously noted, we are very fortunate to have recruited Anshooman to Harsco and he has held significant financial and operational roles at Siemens, AECOM and Cubic, and he is already adding tremendous value to our company.
Turning to our results, the third quarter was characterized by healthy underlying demand in our two core businesses, Harsco Environmental and Clean Earth. It also reflected cost inflation and supply chain disruptions across all three business units. Overall, Harsco consolidated revenue was up 7% versus Q3 of 2020 while adjusted EBITDA was up 22% on the same basis. Demand in our Rail segment was dampened by continued weakness, in-transit ridership, a slowdown in domestic freight traffic and uncertainty as customers wait for the passage of the US infrastructure bill.
Another headlines from this morning's announcement is our intent to divest our Rail segment during the first half of next year. As we have indicated in the past Harsco Rail is not aligned with our long-term strategy to focus on and drive growth in businesses that provide environmental solutions to a broad mix than markets. However, Harsco Rail is a unique business with innovative solutions and a global reach with meaningful growth opportunities ahead. We have received solicited expressions of interest from many parties over the past several months and expect a very competitive sale process.
I'll comment on each of our segments beginning with Harsco Environmental. Harsco Environmental continued to perform in line with our expectations and we are pleased with its momentum. Capacity utilization of the steel mills we support remains lower than the levels of the first half of 2019 and analysts expect low-to-mid single digit LST growth through next year. Commodity prices along with the contributions from our so called echo products, previously referred to as applied products, remains strong. Looking ahead to 2022, against a continued positive outlook for the global steel industry and a decline to normalized levels of capital spending in our business we expect the Environmental business to deliver the highest EBITDA and free cash flow in many years.
Clean Earth experienced a moderate impact in the third quarter from cost inflation and an excess of backlog of material requiring incineration, which negatively affected volume. The recovery and contaminated soil continues to be a bit slower than anticipated due to delays in certain infrastructure projects. Nonetheless, Clean Earths EBITDA in Q3 was close to our expectations, and these pressures should abate throughout Q4 and become de minimis by Q1 of 2022. Similar to Harsco Environmental we believe the Clean Earth has set up to deliver another strong year of growth in 2022. Underlying market demand, new business, and you had higher benefits from the ESOL turnaround and integration will be the primary drivers.
As noted, our Rail business had a challenging quarter due to cost inflation and the timing of equipment orders and shipments. Many of our customers have been affected by their own supply chain issues, and as a result, maintenance programs are being put on hold. While we expect to see some continued impact from these inflationary and supply chain issues in Q4, we expect the situation to improve as we move through the first half of next year. The passage of the US infrastructure bill and the introduction of new products aimed at improving the efficiency of rail maintenance activities should also support growth.
The other components of our business those being aftermarket technology and contracted services are performing in line with expectations and the outlook is encouraging. Therefore, we believe the timing of the divestiture of the rail business should coincide with improving market fundamentals and deliver the value we expect for our shareholders.
I'll now turn the call over to Anshooman..
Anshooman Aga -- Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Thanks, Nick and good morning everyone. Let me start by saying I am very excited to be here and a part of the Harsco team. I joined Harsco because I thought the promise of the Company's ongoing transformation to a single investment thesis environmental solutions company, and the value creation opportunities. I've enjoyed getting to know and working with the Harsco team over the past three months and my time with Harsco so far has strengthened my optimism.
Harsco's strategy is well defined and our financial priorities are unchanged. Strengthening of free cash flow and reducing our leverage remain paramount to Harsco and the key priorities for me as CFO. There is strong underlying momentum within our businesses and the opportunities to grow both organically and inorganically are significant.
Now let me turn to our results for the quarter and our outlook for Q4. Harsco consolidated revenues in the third quarter increased 7% compared with the prior year quarter to $544 million and adjusted EBITDA increased 22% to $72 million. The year-on-year improvement can be attributed to steady operational execution, strong performance in our Harsco Environmental segment as well as growth and improvements within the hazardous waste line of business of Clean Earth. Harsco's adjusted EBITDA margin as a result reached 13.2% in the third quarter versus 11.6% in the comparable quarter of 2020. Despite strong year-on-year improvement, our adjusted EBITDA was the lower guidance driven by new project delays from rail customers, cost inflation and supply chain constraints. Transit ridership remains weak, freight traffic has slowed and uncertainty related to the infrastructure bill has put pressure on customer capital and operating budgets. The majority of the deferred sales for Rail in the third quarter and now expected to be realized in Q4 and early 2022. Material cost inflation and supply chain pressures had a mid single-digit EBITDA impact in the quarter relative to prior expectations.
Harsco's adjusted earnings per share from continuing operations for the third quarter was $0.20. This figure compares favorably to adjusted EPS of $0.08 in the prior year quarter. Lastly, our free cash flow for the quarter was nominal. This outcome was lower than anticipated for the quarter with Rail and related delayed projects as the primary driver.
Please turn to Slide 5 and our Environmental segment. Our Environmental segment performed very well in the quarter. Revenues totaled $270 million and adjusted EBITDA was $56 million. Revenues were 21% higher than the prior year quarter and EBITDA increased 40% year-on-year. These details illustrate the positive operating leverage in this business. Compared with Q3 of 2020 the EBITDA improvement is primarily attributable to increased demand for environmental services and applied products on a global basis. Steel market fundamentals remain strong. Liquid Steel Tonnage or LST increased roughly 20% versus the prior year. The outlook for steel consumption remains positive. We expect to see some modest disruptions in the fourth quarter due to normal seasonality, but the industry and market observers are predicting another year of growth in 2022.
Next please turn to Slide 6 to discuss our Clean Earth segment. Compared to the second quarter of 2020 revenues increased 3% to $200 million with hazardous materials business driving this growth. With hazardous materials retail and healthcare activity was strong while volumes from the industrial sector were modestly lower than the prior year quarter due to disposal market constraints. Also activity within our soil dredged materials business was modestly lower year-on-year, however, we did see sequential improvement. With that said, the improvement has been slow and recall that soil remediation is a late cycle business, that then trough until the fourth quarter of 2020. Segment EBITDA increased to $21 million and Q3 of this year supported by higher hazardous material volumes and ESOL integration benefits. These positive impacts were offset by investments to support Clean Earth and inflation related to containers and transportation. We have seen a significant increase in the cost of steel containers and transportation and have taken action already, which I will discuss in more details later. Lastly on Clean Earth, I'd highlight that our year-to-date free cash flow now totals $39 million. This total represents more than 70% of segment EBITDA.
Now please turn to Slide 7 and our Rail business. Rail revenues totaled $74 million and its EBITDA totaled $3 million in the second quarter. These figures are below those realized in Q3 of 2020. The change in EBITDA can be attributed to lower equipment sales volume and higher costs. I have mentioned earlier most of the deferred sales are expected to be realized in the next few quarters. Also higher material costs impacted results. We incurred a negative LIFO adjustment in the quarter of approximately $2 million, which has not been anticipated. These impacts were partially offset by higher contributions from aftermarket parts and contracted services both in US and Asia.
Turning to slide 8, which is our consolidated 2021 outlook. As noted earlier by Nick and in our press release these figures now exclude Rail, which we ill report as discontinued operations beginning in the fourth quarter. Our adjusted EBITDA guidance is now $248 million to $256 million for the year while adjusted EPS is anticipated to be within a range of $0.51 to $0.54. These figures consider $4 million of stranded corporate costs that were previously allocated to Rail. This outlook also includes 100% of Harsco's interest costs and a pro forma estimated tax rate. A detailed segment outlook is included in the appendix of the slide deck. And, from a business segment point of view our adjusted EBITDA outlook for environmental is essentially unchanged. Meanwhile, our outlook for Clean Earth's adjusted EBITDA is lowered by $5 million at the midpoint. This change reflects the impact of higher container and transportation costs as well as a volume impact from end disposal constraints. Last quarter we noted certain risk related to Clean Earth including the impacts related to incineration and inflation. These impacts, however, are larger than what we previously anticipated for the second half of the year.
Looking forward, we do expect these pressures to abate. There are a number of disposal assets that have restarted or are increasing output. Also we have been pushing through price increases to offset the inflation. Price initiatives take time as you have aware driven by timing of contractual annual price increases in many cases, and we expect to fully offset the cost increases we've seen year-to-date during the first quarter of 2022. Also, we remain very diligent on our cost structure, including corporate costs and the need for continuous improvement. In this regard, we recently launched a cost improvement program which includes targeted reductions at both Clean Earth and Rail. These efforts are anticipated to provide annual run rate benefits of $10 to $15 million when fully realized in the second half of 2022. Any non-recurring costs related to this program as well as our recently announced decision to move our corporate office to Philadelphia are excluded from this outlook.
Let me conclude on slide 9 with our fourth quarter guidance. Q4 adjusted EBITDA is expected to range from $55 million to $62 million. Again, this range excludes Rail. Clean Earth is expected to see a nice improvement year-on-year as a result of integration benefits and higher volumes, including in the soil dredged materials business line. These impacts are expected to be partially offset by inflation and investments. Environmental EBITDA is anticipated to be similar or slightly below the prior year quarter. This guidance contemplates a negative FX impact, some contract exit costs and the less favorable services mix compared to Q4 of 2020. Sequentially, we anticipate that some seasonality will reemerge across our businesses.
And before opening the call to questions let me again reiterate our focus on reducing leverage and strengthening free cash flow. We ended the quarter with a leverage ratio of 4.48 times. Importantly, we are targeting a leverage ratio of approximately 3 times at the end of 2022. This outcome would be consistent with our long-term targets and reflects our optimism about our businesses and ability to sell Rail.
Thanks, and I will now hand the call back to the operator for Q&A.
Questions and Answers:
Operator
Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And your first question comes from the line of Larry Solow with CJS Securities.
Larry Solow -- CJS Securities -- Analyst
Good morning, guys and thanks for taking the questions. Just a quick clarification on Anshooman. So essentially the guidance for the year from a continued operations basis essentially is the 248 to 256, is that comparative to like a 255 to 265 number or somewhere around there, Am I in the right ballpark if we sort of add back what your original guidance was for Rail?
Anshooman Aga -- Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Good morning. Yeah, just if you take the three segments, essentially environmental is unchanged, Clean Earth as I mentioned at the midpoint is $5 million lower, corporate cost when you add back the stranded cost is a couple of million better. So overall relatively close to our previous guidance when you exclude Rail.
Larry Solow -- CJS Securities -- Analyst
Okay and you mentioned Environmental sounds like there is no real change there. Obviously cost pressures are hitting that segment as well, though it seems more focused on the Clean Earth piece. But has there been any real change in terms of your outlook in terms of demand on the Environmental side, perhaps demand a little bit better than you expected, but impact to offset by cost pressures. Is that a fair statement?
F. Nicholas Grasberger III -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah. Hi, Larry. It's Nick. Yeah, I think that's a fair statement. The market continues to develop largely as we expected it to. The cost pressures in that business are not as acute as they are in Clean Earth or Rail, and we do have some ability to escalation clauses to recapture that inflation.
Larry Solow -- CJS Securities -- Analyst
Okay. And the question on uncertainty and disposal bottlenecks and I realize that that's sort of the incinerator piece or the inability to incinerate some of your waste. Have you seen any improvement over the last 90 days. I believe some of this waste that you guys are referring to was actually being off, was also not only being center incinerators, but all sorts to cement kilns who can use this waste as fuel and essentially incinerated. So if I'm not mistaken, there was particular customer, that there was a hold up there, has that started to improve in Q4?
F. Nicholas Grasberger III -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
It has, in fact it's gotten a good bit better. I'd say the biggest negative impact was realized in July and August. Since then it's improved a good bit. And I think there's a lot of optimism that,if not in Q4, certainly by Q1 that supply chain, if you will, should be back to its normal function.
Larry Solow -- CJS Securities -- Analyst
Okay. And on the project side, I thought you weren't building in much on the dredging side right, on the wet soil toward more delays and we're hopeful that the piece does pick up as well, but I assumed sort of a little bit of a push out is more early relative to your guidance was more on the drier soil, the infrastructure piece projects and stuff. Is that what you're more referring to?
F. Nicholas Grasberger III -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Yes, that's correct as well. The dredged business actually is performing quite well. As you know, on the as you call a dry soil projects for us and it's generally focused in the Mid Atlantic, New England area and there are few large projects that we're tracking and have good reason to believe that will be significant processor of that material, but they've been delayed.
Operator
And your next question comes from the line of Jeff Hammond with KeyBanc Capital Markets.
Jeffrey Hammond -- KeyBanc Capital Markets -- Analyst
Hey, good morning guys.
F. Nicholas Grasberger III -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Hey Jeff.
Jeffrey Hammond -- KeyBanc Capital Markets -- Analyst
Just, just on Rail. I wanted to get a sense of, I know you're selling that, but just to get a sense of kind of run rate. Is the growth rate and EBITDA growth about the same as what you thought before or is there a substantial amount push into 2022?
F. Nicholas Grasberger III -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, I guess what I would characterize it, Jeff is that the, the near-term kind of earnings potential of that business really has not changed. But as you know, on the equipment side, it can vary from quarter to quarter. And I think currently, we are seeing some delays. So our view is by the time we begin to market the business that the trailing 12-month EBITDA at that time should approximate what we had been thinking.
Jeffrey Hammond -- KeyBanc Capital Markets -- Analyst
Okay, that's helpful. And then just on cleaners, can you just talk about what you're doing from a pricing standpoint to kind of deal with some of the added costs and inflationary pressures.
Anshooman Aga -- Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Yes, so from a clean Earth's perspective for the piece of business that doesn't have annual contracts are long-term contracts in place, we have pushed through price increases. These do depend on the category, but we push through price increases and are definitely recovering our cost for the contracts, which have annual escalations built in. As these contracts come up for the renewal we are pushing through price increases and those will get priced in, and as I mentioned, we expect in Q1 to have recovered from any inflation headwinds through the passing the price increases.
Jeffrey Hammond -- KeyBanc Capital Markets -- Analyst
Okay and then just last one. You took down your free cash flow fairly substantially. Just talk through the moving pieces to the new free cash flow guidance.
Anshooman Aga -- Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Yeah. So, keep in mind the previous free cash flow guidance was including Rail, the new free cash flow guidance is pro forma without Rail and the new guidance also includes 100% off the interest cost for Harsco. Having said that in Q3, we did see some delays in projects and milestones related to Rail payments, but again the two guidance isn't comparable. Our Environmental business and our Clean Earth business continue to generate good cash flow.
Jeffrey Hammond -- KeyBanc Capital Markets -- Analyst
Okay. So the vast majority of the decline is Rail, either the shortfall in 3Q or what you're pulling out for 4Q.
Anshooman Aga -- Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
That's correct. Some slowdown in payments that are on our balance sheet as working capital and then also stripping out Rail for the year.
Jeffrey Hammond -- KeyBanc Capital Markets -- Analyst
Okay, thanks so much.
Operator
And your next question comes from the line of Rob Brown with Lake Street Capital.
Rob Brown -- Lake Street Capital -- Analyst
Good morning. On the Environmental business. Just wanted to get your view on kind of the growth rate that, that business should see over the next year or 2, and I think you mentioned pretty positive guidance. How do you view the margin in that business getting to in terms of EBITDA margin?
F. Nicholas Grasberger III -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah. Yeah. So from a topline perspective, let's really focus on volume. We're looking at 3% to 5% top line growth in that business, balanced between the mill services contracts, and our ability to continue to expand the volume growth in our eco products. The EBITDA margins, I think are pretty close to being in their all time highs, but we would expect to continue to see margin expansion in that business through 2022. The mix should improve as we saw more eco products relative to the mill service business. But again, I think the as I've indicated before and I think you're aware, the best way to look at the business is really EBITDA minus kind of maintenance capex in terms of the margin. So if you look at the capital spend next year for maintenance as well as for renewal of existing contracts subtract that out from EBITDA and look at the margin that should expand one to two points next year.
Rob Brown -- Lake Street Capital -- Analyst
Okay, great. Thank you. And then on the Clean Earth business, maybe just a little bit more about the constraints in hazardous waste processing. Is that something that you have control over, is it really just something that you're waiting for the market to loosen which you've indicated it is, but just help me understand the things you can do there or is it just waiting for the supply chain to open up.
F. Nicholas Grasberger III -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Well, the vast majority, 80% to 90% of the material that we process in Clean Earth hazardous waste is either recycled or repurposed. The remainder does need to go to either a landfill or incinerator. For that portion that goes to incineration there have been capacity constraints at those facilities where we ship our material now. Now that was a combination of a number of different factors that led to that situation, and as I indicated, that constraint was really at its peak in July and August, and it's getting better. Facilities are reopening that were closed for a maintenance, new capacity is coming online and so forth. So, we really do believe that situation to get better here in Q4 and certainly be behind us in Q1. And we estimate that on the industrial hazardous waste that we process that incineration capacity challenge affected revenue by about 2% points or $1 million to $2 million of EBITDA.
Rob Brown -- Lake Street Capital -- Analyst
Okay, thank you. I'll turn it over.
Operator
And your next question comes from the line of Brian Butler with Stifel.
Brian Butler -- Stifel Financial Corp. -- Analyst
Hi, good morning. How you guys doing?
F. Nicholas Grasberger III -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Good.
Brian Butler -- Stifel Financial Corp. -- Analyst
Just kind of on that disposal you said it was about $1 million to $2 million of EBITDA, when you think of the other issues being the labor, could you maybe give some quantification on kind of what the labor headwind was in 3Q and how to think about that into 4Q into and then into 2022?
Anshooman Aga -- Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Our bigger headwind from a cost perspective, was the containers and transportation. Labor as such, we have had some issues as the whole industry in terms of drivers. We've made some positive progress over the 3rd quarter in that, but the big cost issue for us was the steel containers where we've seen the cost of the containers go up significantly over the last few months.
Brian Butler -- Stifel Financial Corp. -- Analyst
And how much the headwind was that, maybe on EBITDA margin in the quarter?
Anshooman Aga -- Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
$2 million to 3 million on the containers and some of the transportation stuff.
Brian Butler -- Stifel Financial Corp. -- Analyst
And is that improving in the fourth quarter, like some of the other items like disposal or is that continuing?
Anshooman Aga -- Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
The price is continuing, but keep in mind we are pushing through price increases to our customers to offset the higher inflation.
Brian Butler -- Stifel Financial Corp. -- Analyst
Okay. And then follow-up question, just on, can you talk maybe about some of the possible potential impact from China rolling blackouts on the steel business and-or how that kind of maybe trickle down to other parts of your business.
F. Nicholas Grasberger III -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah. Hi, Brian. We're fortunate and that the, the few mills that we service in China where we have quite sizable long-term contracts have achieved what's called in China AAAs certification from an environmental standpoint. And what that means is that they will be much less subject to some of those closure of the temporary risks that other mills will be subject to. So we really do not expect there to be a significant issue in our China business through the winter months by these rolling blackouts.
Brian Butler -- Stifel Financial Corp. -- Analyst
Okay. And then one last one, just on the financials. Do you have a year-to-date free cash flow excluding the Rail business?
Anshooman Aga -- Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Yes. It is $6 million and that includes 100% of costs.
Brian Butler -- Stifel Financial Corp. -- Analyst
So $6 million. So your forecast for the third quarter is negative $1 million to a positive $14 million, is that the right way to think it?
Anshooman Aga -- Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
That's correct. Basically $0 million to $9 million positive to get to the 5 to 15.
Brian Butler -- Stifel Financial Corp. -- Analyst
Okay, great, thank you very much.
Operator
[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from the line of Chris Howe with Barrington Research.
Chris Howe -- Barrington Research -- Analyst
Good morning Nick. Good morning Anshooman.
F. Nicholas Grasberger III -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Good morning.
Anshooman Aga -- Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Good Morning.
Chris Howe -- Barrington Research -- Analyst
I wanted to first off, talk about the Applied Products your expectations as we head into fiscal year 2022. I was thinking of this in the context of some of your recent announcements surrounding sustainable asphalt products, what you've been doing, your work in the UK, and what your thoughts are in Applied Products overall and what the potential is for the steel business?
F. Nicholas Grasberger III -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Well, it's a very good question and I'm glad you raised it because it's a component of our business that we're very excited about, both in terms of its revenue and profit potential, as well as of course the benefits that such products provide to the environment, which as you know, is what we're primarily focused on. You're correct with respect to the Asphalt business in the UK, we had for years we had a single facility that really generated the benefits that I just mentioned, as well as quite good margins. And we're now one of our many initiatives in eco products is to understand other geographies where the requirements would be satisfied to build new facilities. And so there are three that we've identified that we will be getting the permits and beginning construction of in 2022. But that's a part of the business that if you look at the return on capital and the consistency of that product with our environmental goals is aligned very, very nicely. There are other similar initiatives around self cakes in the aluminum industry and the ability of our AluSalt salt technology to process those salt cakes. Our new full-scale facility in Bahrain is up and running and achieving all of our milestones and now potential customers are able to visit a full-scale operation that's performing quite well as opposed to what had been just a single pilot plant in the UK. So, there's a lot of optimism around our AluSalt technology as well. So those are just two, but I really do believe that over the next year or two or three you will see, from a revenue mix standpoint that shifting for us more and more toward eco products relative to core mill services, although of course they are closely linked.
Chris Howe -- Barrington Research -- Analyst
Thank you for that color. And, one follow-up. It seems like over the course of fiscal year 2022 there is going to be room for additional capital priorities as we consider the formal process that's undergoing for Rail, not talking about that specifically, but can you kind of outline how you see capital priorities for the business if we think about the growth opportunities here in Applied Products or other opportunities that you see across the business.
F. Nicholas Grasberger III -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Well, as our Chairman mentioned and of course we're very aligned on this that the priority in 2022 will be free cash flow generation and reducing our leverage. And at the same time, we expect the operational performance of both Harsco Environmental and Clean Earth to be quite strong. So we're really looking forward to a strong cash flow year and together with the proceeds from the divestiture of Rail getting our balance sheet where we'd like it to be at around three times levered. Now there are, I am happy to say, very attractive capital opportunities, investment opportunities for growth in both HE and in Clean Earth, but those in 2022 will likely be secondary to the balance sheet.
Chris Howe -- Barrington Research -- Analyst
Okay. And if I may squeeze one more in here really quickly. Apologies, the infrastructure program as it relates to Rail with the sale process undergoing, how should we think about the inclusion or exclusion of that program as we consider the timing of that formal process?
F. Nicholas Grasberger III -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Well, in the short term, there are a handful of projects with customers that are somewhat dependent upon clarity around the infrastructure bill, both in terms of what's included and also kind of the timing. And that's part of our commentary around the some of the push outs in revenue and profit on the equipment side of that business. Clearly, in the medium-to-longer term, there are components of the infrastructure bill that will be very attractive to many of our customers and we believe will ultimately flow to higher revenue between us and those customers. But between now and when the sale process commences and the phase is completed we expect with the passage of the bill that handful of related projects to be realized in revenue.
Chris Howe -- Barrington Research -- Analyst
Okay thank you.
Operator
And you do have a follow-up question from the line of Larry Solow with CJS Securities.
Larry Solow -- CJS Securities -- Analyst
Actually most of my questions were answered there along the lines of the sort of sustainable stuff, I think you also now for a little JV with Magsort, I guess on sort of a new process for steel slag, is that something that over time could move the needle?
F. Nicholas Grasberger III -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah. We think so, of course, it's a $1 billion business or so, and so moving the needle, it's a technology that allows us to improve the metal recovery from the slag that we process for our customers, and it's a technology that provides a much better return on investments. It's probably more applicable to new contracts or contracts where existing technology needs to be replaced.
Larry Solow -- CJS Securities -- Analyst
Got it.
F. Nicholas Grasberger III -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
So with significant in that it's a very sound environmental solution with a good return, but I would expect its adoption and roll out to be over the next two or three years.
Larry Solow -- CJS Securities -- Analyst
Got you. And then, Nick, just why how you just last question or thoughts, just on the timing of a potential sale of the Rail business. Do you think it could be a little bit of a challenge considering the business sort of underperformed the last couple of years, maybe perhaps it would be wiser just thinking aloud to have a couple of quarters under your belt [Technical Issues] where the business is performing more in line with expectations and its growth trajectory or, and obviously I'm not privy to your conversations, just don't expect to discuss them in a public forum, but I'm just curious if the recent performance in the Rail business could potentially push out our impact of inevitable sale of the business. Thanks.
F. Nicholas Grasberger III -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah. Well, it's a good question of course is something that we've thought a good bit about. We do believe that the under performance in the Rail business is, is really driven by the market challenges that much of those we expect to diminish here over the next few quarters. We also of course have to balance the outlook for the business and the expected proceeds of a divestiture against the need to bring our balance sheet to where we'd like it to be, and also to move ahead with our corporate strategy that we adopted two years ago to become a single-thesis environmental solutions company. So, balancing all of those items we obviously have decided that we need to commit to divesting the business in the first half of next year, and we do believe that we will get good value for the business.
Larry Solow -- CJS Securities -- Analyst
Fair enough. Great. I appreciate the call I. Thanks, Nick. Thank you. And at this time there are no more audio questions. We will now turn the call back over to Mr Martin for closing remarks.
Dave Martin -- Vice President of Investor Relations
Thank you for joining the call. Please feel free to contact me with any follow-up questions you may have. As always, we appreciate your interest in Harsco and look forward to speaking with you in the near future. Have a great day.
Operator
[Operator Closing Remarks]
Duration: 43 minutes
Call participants:
Dave Martin -- Vice President of Investor Relations
F. Nicholas Grasberger III -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Anshooman Aga -- Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Larry Solow -- CJS Securities -- Analyst
Jeffrey Hammond -- KeyBanc Capital Markets -- Analyst
Rob Brown -- Lake Street Capital -- Analyst
Brian Butler -- Stifel Financial Corp. -- Analyst
Chris Howe -- Barrington Research -- Analyst
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